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Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.06.10 19:56:00 - [1] I've been banned for the last fourteen days, so forgive me for not being here sooner. Somewhere along the line, the discussion seemed to get off track, where people confused the words "loot" with "salvage" in the original post. I read and re-read the posts here, and the OP seems to only be concerned with the looting of the ships killed (i.e. pulling stuff from jetcans) and not concerned with the random salvaging of the wrecks. I lend my support to the rewriting of the rules, providing that they only affect jetcan looting, and not giving "salvage aggro". I would consider it very irritating if, after blowing up another Pilot's ship in highsec, I was unable to shoot any thieves that might be close by. It seems unbalanced to me, and I vote yes.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.07.14 20:11:00 - [2] Originally by: Jacqueri Calroszian Of course, I think it should expand to salvaging wrecks not belonging to you as well, because - after all - it is 'stealing' in a sense and should be dealt with accordingly. I disagree with your opinion of the change you're proposing, but that's another discussion entirely. Originally by: Jacqueri Calroszian Tchell Dahn, I don't think it's you or your corp that would be the ones that do the killing, I think you guys fall on the other side of the spectrum. Hey, we kill things too! (Sometimes.) We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.07.15 20:39:00 - [3] Originally by: Calacheng I agree with the salvage stealing to be aggro/killright flagged. There is no rational reasoning to let the scavengers to just come and take or extract anything from what we just killed and leave without any fear of revenge. Thank god that's not what the Original Post is about, eh? Nice of you to come out, though. We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.07.17 17:05:00 - [4] o7 PitBoss, From your original post... Originally by: The PitBoss The looter takes no risk to reap a HUGE reward at times ... IF it is just salvage .. why is the looter flagged to the person whose ship it was ...any chance you could remove the "IF it is just salvage" part? I think it's confused more than a few people who are thinking that your request has something to do with Salvage Aggro. Just a question from an interested party, for obvious reasons. We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.08.06 15:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Miss Xerox Here's how it needs to be fixed: People not involved with the kill, nor a part of the victim's corporation, should not be able to access the wreck. Period. That'll solve both loot/salvage thieves, and suicide gangs because their scooping ship would have to be part of their corp (and as such a target). Thank God that's not what The Pitboss has asked for, because salvage isn't theft. Get past that, and you'll do fine in EvE. We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.11.13 00:10:00 - [6] Originally by: Rubikahn Signed. ...someone just warped in onto my Worlds Collide L4 and salvaged my wrecks. That sux... , he was laughing at me... Wow - have you read this thread? Salvaging has nothing to do with the aggro rules being discussed. It is simply in response to the ownership of the loot of a player made wreck, and NOT aggro in response to a salvaged ship. Thus, your comment makes zero sense. We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.11.14 20:53:00 - [7] Originally by: Dred Silence Please fix this so I can blast anyone stealing from my wrecks. Also if they are salvaging from them as these are my scrap parts. Open a new vote, because those who voted before you did so for an entirely different reason. Otherwise, you negate the ability to make this vote count.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.11.16 18:41:00 - [8] Edited by: Tchell Dahhn on 16/11/2008 18:42:54 Originally by: night shiftstar nop, Iv voted for ownership of loot AND WRECKS, i dont see any diference! Then you didn't read the OP. Originally by: The PitBoss MY SUGGESTED FIXES 1. The wreck looter gets FLAGGED to the original pilot ... AND everyone on the kill mail. 2. The wreck looter gets FLAGGED to the original pilot ... AND to the person who 'Layed the final blow' NOTABLE POINTS 1. BEFORE there were wrecks ... when you killed a Player Character's ship ... there were can drops ... IF you looted from them ... you were FLAGGED. 2. IF you kill a NPC and someone loots that wreck ... They become FLAGGED to you. 3. In cases happening against myself ... OVER 90% of the offenders were in NPC corps ... KNOWING I would have no recourse against them (ie. war dec) The PitBoss is looking for the aggro/ownership mechanic to be changed on looting, not salvaging. So thus, you did NOT, in fact, vote for both. In this thread, we're only voting to change the looting mechanic.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.15 14:34:00 - [9] Originally by: The PitBoss BADASS is obviously your word of the week ... and i'm not trying to stop salvagers ... I'm trying to stop loot thieves ... BIG DIFFERENCE Thank you for clearing that up PitBoss - I know more than a significant number of people have voted for your idea thinking it was against Ninja Salvagers, without actually reading the post itself. I've cast my vote in your favour, and am planning on running for CSM III, in which case I hope to make your idea a reality. IMHO, it's one of the 'really broken' things in the game. We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.17 16:49:00 - [10] Originally by: The PitBoss If this is added to your platform when running for CSM III ... you will get my vote and help in your campaign run It shall be there, and I appreciate your vote. Tell your friends. We're Recruiting!

Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.19 16:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Daemonspirit I do get what your saying. The loot belongs to the guy who's ship you just blew up. If you (or someone else gets it) thats stealing from the last person who had possesion. If you can't get possession, you don't get ownership. So, by your logic, do you think that CCP should make ALL loot drops the ownership of the guy who's ship you killed, INCLUDING NPC Pirates? Right now, if you shoot NPC's, the loot dropped belongs to the killer, and all we're asking for is the same for PvP kills. (If you don't agree yet, tell me why the two should be different.) You know, if we do make everything the same, and NPC loot drops are owned by the first person to pick them up, then that means anytime I'm Ninja Salvaging in a Mission, I have the ability to loot EVERYTHING, without the fear that the Mission Runner has any ability to shoot. Put the vote up for that one, my friend, and see what comes out of the woodwork. We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.23 14:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Mister Xerox Wrecks have broken the mechanic so that they can be 'ninja salvaged'... CCP merely needs to put ownership back in the hands of the vanquisher. Read more. This thread has nothing to do about Ninja Salvaging. We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.12.28 00:34:00 - [13] Originally by: WheatGrass I propose that players who loot and salvage the property of others incur a substantial security hit. If they wish to behave lawlessly then let them Be lawless in low sec. Living in a society requires some restraint. Those who choose to not show restraint will move themselves ever nearer to banishment. Then pirates will have their day. Read more. This thread has nothing to do about Ninja Salvaging. (Didn't I just say this?) If you want to debate it further, please do it in this thread. Yes, I realize you've already posted there. Shame on you for cross-posting your opinions in The PitBoss' thread. (You're wrong, by the way. Your salvage, and the salvage of all Mission Runners belongs to me.) We're Recruiting!
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.01.26 23:04:00 - [14] Originally by: The PitBoss Just a friendly bump to bring it back into discussion Welcome back! I tried, but as you can see, people just decided to accept my argument, and went on their merry way. We're Recruiting!

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